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Sunday, May 27, 2012

Nutting doing: PolitiFact's inadequate excuse

This week many liberals jumped on the meme that President Obama has the lowest spending record of any recent president.

Fortunately for all of us, PolitiFact was there to help us find out the truth in politics.

Actually, PolitiFact completely flubbed the related fact check.  And that's not particularly unusual.  Instead, it was the Washington Post's Glenn Kessler and an Associated Press fact check that helped people find the truth in politics.

PolitiFact isn't backing down so far, however.  On Friday PolitiFact offered the following response to the initial wave of criticism (bold emphasis added):
(O)ur item was not actually a fact-check of Nutting's entire column. Instead, we rated two elements of the Facebook post together -- one statement drawn from Nutting’s column, and the quote from Romney.

We haven't seen anything that justifies changing our rating of the Facebook post. But people can have legitimate differences about how to assign the spending, so we wanted to pass along some of the comments.
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PolitiFact also made the distinction on Twitter.

There's a big problem with the attempt to distinguish between checking Nutting's claims and those from the Facebook post:  The Facebook post argues implicitly solely on the basis of Nutting's work.  PolitiFact likewise based its eventual ruling squarely on its rating of the Nutting graphic.

PolitiFact (bold emphasis added): 
The Facebook post says Mitt Romney is wrong to claim that spending under Obama has "accelerated at a pace without precedent in recent history," because it's actually risen "slower than at any time in nearly 60 years."

Obama has indeed presided over the slowest growth in spending of any president using raw dollars, and it was the second-slowest if you adjust for inflation. The math simultaneously backs up Nutting’s calculations and demolishes Romney’s contention.
Credit PolitiFact with accurately representing the logic of the implicit argument.  Without the fact check on Nutting's work there is no fact check of Romney's claim.  Making matters worse, PolitiFact emphasized the claim that Obama "has the lowest spending record" right next to its "Mostly True" Truth-O-Meter graphic.  The excuse that PolitiFact was fact checking the Facebook post completely fails to address that point.  Andrew Stiles is probably still laughing.

Criticisms of Nutting make clear that the accounting of bailout loans substantially skews the numbers in Obama's favor. Using the AP's estimates of 9.7 percent for 2009 (substantially attributable to Obama) and 7.8 percent in 2010, Obama's record while working with a cooperative Democrat-controlled Congress looks like it would challenge the high spending of any of his recent predecessors.  The leader from the Facebook graphic, President Reagan, tops out at 8.7 percent without any adjustment for inflation.  PolitiFact's fact check was utterly superficial and did not properly address the issue.

There is a silver lining.  The Obama administration has so aggressively seized on this issue that PolitiFact will certainly feel pressure to fact check different permutations of Nutting's claims.

I can't wait to see the contortions as PolitiFact tries to reconcile this rating with subsequent attempts.


Friday, May 20, 2011

More fun with PolitiFact's FaceBook "matrix"

I've posted before about the quirky results one obtains with the discussion area at PolitiFact's FaceBook page.

Here's another example of a post apparently made invisible to all save the friends of the one making the post.

Generic FaceBook account view:


 Account used to post comment:


As a debate forum, PolitiFact's FaceBook page is a joke.  These results I find inexplicable based on my admittedly limited experience with an organizational FaceBook account.  Probably PolitiFact has employed customizations that put them all or mostly in charge of what appears and to whom on their FaceBook page.  In other words, the discussion is most likely deliberately censored.

Answering Ken's question:
Here's why, Ken.

With property there is a thing called "mineral rights" that most folks don't get. That's something that governments retain control over. So, you can look at it like the government in most cases reserving oil resources to itself (not to mention that land not owned privately is claimed by the government. So, you've got the problem of getting resources that people need to the people who need it, such as Ken Jones. You could let the government do it (many nations do that). But that means the investment money and capital need to come from taxation. And liabilities such as oil spills are automatically the financial responsibility of the taxpayers assuming the government is willing to clean up its own messes (government's sometimes aren't so willing). In the United States we let private companies bring those resources to those who need it, using the profit motive to provide the incentive. Take away the profit and you lose the incentive. The government charges for leases and such, but obviously if the lease cost reaches a certain high point no private company will show interest. As a result, it is in the interests of our government to provide very adequate incentives for oil companies to take the oil from government lands and turn it into energy that you can use to get to work and connect to the Internet.

Our government takes its biggest share of the proceeds at the pump rather than by charging oil companies for the leases and such. Either way, we all foot the bill.

So, that's why it's private enterprise to provide tax breaks and loopholes to oil companies. If the government were simply doling out cash to oil companies (which isn't the case, so far as I can tell) then we'd have a problem. The smart people in government recognize that oil companies provide a crucial service, and to a reasonable person a middling profit margin isn't so very disturbing.

Wednesday, November 25, 2009

Piquing PolitiFact: Corrections and $timulu$

I pointed out some time ago that PolitiFact had reported a figure for the Obama stimulus package that was off by a factor of a billion. I subsequently pointed out the error at PolitiFact's FaceBook page.

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Bryan White
Bryan White
Rep. Young offered a fair paraphrase of Obama. The PolitiFact writer seems to be the one who provided the quotation marks. The writer also mischaracterized the topic of Obama's comments. It wasn't the economy. It was the deficit, and Obama as much as admitted responsibility for almost a third of it. And one last (minor) thing: a $787 stimulus package? This was a poor excuse for journalism.
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Granted, I pointed out the error in what may be regarded as a subtle way.

After that, on occasion I would swing by the PolitiFact entry containing the error. Nothing changed.

Noting that Angie Drobnic Holan (who appears to wholly or mostly handle PolitiFact comments at Facebook) solicits e-mail pointing out errors, I offered an alternative suggestion. Why not dedicate a thread on the "Discussions" page to errors?

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You wroteon November 20, 2009 at 11:22am
PolitiFact encourages readers to point out errors by sending e-mail.
But why not use public posting for the same function? How hard would it be to dedicate a thread to alleged inaccuracies?
As a bonus, an open system enhances accountability and public awareness.

Would PolitiFact seriously not bother to change the amount of the stimulus bill from $787 to $787 billion simply because nobody wants to go through the trouble of e-mailing the complaint?
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I never received any reply to my message, but today I noticed that PolitiFact finally fixed the error. But apparently without any correction notice. Protect the brand! Error? We made no error.

Ever the helpful sort, I added another message to the thread:
Hey, thanks for fixing the stimulus spending number that had been off by a factor of a billion!

But now I'm curious. Did PolitiFact hold off until the error was pointed out via e-mail or act on the basis of commentary at the FaceBook page? And the page in question carries no notice that it has been updated or corrected for error. Is that common practice at the Times?

Thursday, May 13, 2021

Why It's Time to Leave Facebook

I joined Facebook primarily as a means of commenting on PolitiFact's fact check articles. It was and remains the only option for doing that, apart from commenting on Twitter.

But Facebook has an incomprehensible commenting system.

I can make a comment and then the record of that comment will disappear from my activity log. I think when that happens it means my comment was in reply to somebody who later blocked me. Okay, but why disappear the comment from my activity log?

I can make a comment that stays on my activity log but I cannot view it on the page location. Why? I don't know. And I don't know who can see the "public" comment, if anybody. I do have some evidence that others can see the comments I've made that I'm not permitted to view. How does that make sense?

Here's an example of how that works. I made a comment on a comment Z Smorris made on PolitiFact's page:

 

Facebook allows me to click on the comment to (supposedly) go to its location at PolitiFact's Facebook page.

That leads here:

No sign of it, though of course the default view is "Most Relevant" (upper right-hand corner). It's worth noting that the only relevant comment is obvious spam. Perfect, right?

So, let's change the view from "Most Relevant" to "All Comments" and see what happens.


Click!

We get a view that does not have any sign of Smorris' comment or of my reply. We get a different comment of mine prioritized to the top.  So we have to go digging into the other 46 comments (apparently some of those do not count toward the "42" listed above) to find Smorris' comment.

Away we go.


There's Smorris' comment! Now all I have to do is click on the "8 replies" and I'll see my reply. Right?

We're so naive.


 

No, I didn't hit the "Reply" button. I hit the "8 replies" button. That's what I got.

This system makes it extraordinarily difficult to carry on a reasonable conversation. It's ridiculous. And I have done experiments with similar outcomes over the past year.



Saturday, February 05, 2011

Journalistic transparency alert: PolitiFact @ FaceBook

Not long after I finished praising PolitiFact for its willingness to entertain contrary views, I've been given reason to revisit the issue.

One does not necessarily obtain the same view of FaceBook when one is logged in as one does when one is logged out.

Here's a logged in view of a recent thread:


Four replies to the thread.  I do not lightly explain the obvious.

Logged out:

Reece Martin's comments do not appear, at least on my computer, when I am not logged in at FaceBook.  I've discovered that select comments of mine do not appear (on my computer) when I'm not logged in.

Curiouser and curiouser ... Reece Martin's comments do not appear in Google results searching the facebook.com domain.  We only get mentions of her name when she happens to be listed as liking something.

I suppose privacy settings might explain the search results for Ms. Martin.  They do not explain why some of my posts appear under certain conditions and some do not.

If the problem isn't wonkiness (admittedly not at all a settled question), then shouldn't PolitiFact offer some sort of explanation for its system of comment moderation?

Monday, March 21, 2011

More from PolitiFact's "Matrix"

The visitor interface at FaceBook has some significant issues, it appears, unless PolitiFact really is actively manipulating it.  I don't imagine a news organization can afford to pay somebody to do that, so for now I'll blame it all on FaceBook.

PolitiFact's FaceBook page has Wall discussions and a separate Discussions area.  At the latter, I have periodically updated a thread called "Fact Check This."  The list of discussions is listed in reverse chronological order by the most recent post in each thread.  And the list looks like this near the thread I started:


Despite an update within the past two weeks, the "Latest post" supposedly occurred "over a year ago."

Pants on Fire, FaceBook!

Take that, machine overlords!

Wednesday, November 18, 2009

Bubbles from the Fever Swamp

Sometimes I am simply awestruck by the answers I get from liberals.

PolitiFact's FaceBook page offers room for public debate, even if the format is less than ideal. I'm still scratching my head after the following exchange with John Mcconnell in a thread about Sarah Palin:

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Bryan White
Bryan White
Palin's rated correct, liberals crow in the comments section. It's a wonderful world.
Yesterday at 3:17pm · ·
John Mcconnell
John Mcconnell
She tends to be more accurate when quoting other people......correct.........I'm still waiting for an original thought allied with accuracy.....wouldn't that be something.......
Yesterday at 3:43pm ·
Bryan White
Bryan White
I hope you're not asking for something as original as "Hope & Change."
Yesterday at 3:57pm · ·
John Mcconnell
John Mcconnell
"Hope & Change" was a concept.............a concept is born out of a whole group of thoughts.........the intellectually bankrupt find it difficult enough to scare up a single thought..........plagiarized or otherwise......
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And now the best part:

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Bryan White
Bryan White
John, take the opportunity to give an example of what you think constitutes an original thought.
Yesterday at 4:44pm · ·
John Mcconnell
John Mcconnell
I think that it was very original to look at what the rest of the World was doing for a change.........just for once, set aside the arrogance and see if there's anything that can be learned from the idiot foreigners.........
Yesterday at 4:52pm ·
Bryan White
Bryan White
John,
You seriously think it original to "look at what the rest of the World was doing"??????????????????????????
Seems to me that is the essence of unoriginality.
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Monday, March 21, 2011

PolitiFact's "Matrix"

I've written before about suspicions that PolitiFact isn't playing it straight with comments on its FaceBook page.

Screen clip from Monday, March 21, 2011, this IP address using my normal personal FaceBook account:


Screen clip from Monday, March 21, 2011, this IP address while logged off from FaceBook:

Note that Sene Sean's name has gone black (no hotlink) and the presence of hotlinks to the lower right.

And, finally, a screen clip from Monday, March 21, 2011, this IP address while logged on with an organizational account I started for PolitiFact Bias:



Note the presence of a post invisible from the other account even though it was posted on Friday.

This phenomenon is a fine breakthrough for Internet discussion.  Everyone can have the last word in their own little version of the Matrix.

Using the organizational account, I hope to pick up a few clues as to what causes posts to disappear depending on the account used to view the page.  So far I see no obvious way to selectively edit some posts by one person while leaving others available for viewing.  But there are a few things I can try that might shed some light on the matter.

Tuesday, July 26, 2011

Liberals are great

Just sayin'.

(clipped from Facebook.com/politifact)

I don't see Jeremy Towle's Facebook post above unless I view the page while not logged in or through a different account because Jeremy apparently has me blocked.  And that's funny.  But it's not the funniest part.

This is:


BFF.

I don't have the precise times available, but what I do have indicates that the two Facebook actions above took place at roughly the same time.  Liberals are great.

Tuesday, November 10, 2009

Stalking PolitiFact

PolitiFact, that Pulitzer Prize-winning version of Media Matters, is advertising its Facebook page.

I'm there, or at least will be soon. The PolitiFact presence on Facebook will greatly facilitate my ability to shed light on their mistakes.

I've been over to inspect the site, which includes a discussion forum. The format is ungainly; I assume it is the standard issue for Facebook. But I did run across a hilarious argument--hypocrisy almost to the point of self-stultification, courtesy of Kate Whitaker. Whitaker was taking part in a discussion on Rush Limbaugh. She did some research and decided that Limbaugh is a racist. This left her in disagreement with another participant. But she wasn't willing to discuss the disagreement, using the following as her justification:
You strike me as someone who DOES make snap judgements and decides things based on gut feelings, instead of careful consideration of all facts.
Since Whitaker has reached the judgment that her opposite makes snap judgments and doesn't engage in careful consideration of the facts, there's no use discussing the facts. Silken irony, especially in consideration of the full context of the discussion.

Tuesday, January 12, 2010

Is "conservative hate speech" redundant?

I haunt a good number of message boards off and on.  I run across quite a few amusing statements.

Delilah Bach unloaded a doozy not long ago over the PolitiFact's FaceBook page:




I'll transcribe it just to make it easier for some folks to read:
"Thank you Politifact for banning Bob, he was really driving me crazy with the conservative point of view. There is no room for that type of speech on this page!


There are a few others that should be censored as well!"


"Bob" was a noisy fellow who posted from a conservative/right wing point of view.  Sometimes he made a good point.  Often he was unnecessarily confrontational.  "Bob" was banned for using a fake identity after rejoining the discussion when his previous fake identity was banned.

I'm a big advocate of favoring a charitable interpretation of an author's work.  Thus I assume that type of speech for which Delilah sees no room was the name calling cited by PolitiFact in a post that implicitly marked Bob's banning.

But if she simply meant that there was no room for the conservative point of view then I may be next!


Update:

Another commenter at FaceBook, Karen Street, pointed out that "Delilah Bach" appeared soon after "Bob" was banned, and supposed that the Bach identity was another incarnation of Bob.  A subsequent post by Bach helped firm the impression that the tone of her(?) posts is sarcastic, making it plausible if not probable that Bach is the new Bob.

The upshot is that Bach's comments should not be taken as in any way representative of the left, except via coincidental resemblance.

A pox on sock puppetry.

Thursday, February 18, 2010

Grading PolitiFact's grading of the stimulus bill

The PolitiFact headline caught my eye.  Here's how it looked at FaceBook:

I will focus on two general aspects of this PolitiFact entry, the visual presentation and the literary content.

The appearance of the FaceBook version offers special prominence to the bar graph seen just below "PolitFact.com."  Once one gets to the full story by clicking the link, one has the opportunity to read a caption that describes the graph as part of the Obama administration's claims about itself ("David Plouffe, a political adviser to President Obama, circulated this chart ...").  I would suggest that the placement of the graphic provides an implicit support of the positive effects of the stimulus bill.  That effect is only slightly diminished at the main page, coupled as it is with the Truth-O-Meter rating of one of Vice President Joe Biden's  claims about reduced job losses over time.

So the visual presentation makes the stimulus bill look pretty good, even if the arguments underlying the presentation may be specious.  But what about the content?

The content, considering the piece is billed as a grade of the stimulus bill, contains precious little grading.  Indeed, it might not exaggerate the situation to state that authors Robert Farley and Louis Jacobson did not offer any specific effective/not effective judgment at all.  Instead, they treated the reader to a series of of political statements and expert opinions--more in line with the traditional methods of the objective reporting paradigm.

The story isn't exactly the best example of objective reporting, however.  In spite of a number of research references to Heritage.org, the assessment of the experts at Heritage apparently did not find their way into the Farley/Jacobson story.

Is that important?

Yes, it is.  Economists disagree on many things, and the Keynesian approach to economic intervention remains a very contentious point.  However, though Keynesian policies remain controversial among economists, they also remain very popular.  Thus, it is easy to find a good number--even a clear majority--who will affirm that Keynesian spending will effectively boost an economy.

The uncited work of Brian Riedl at Heritage.org offers a counterpoint to the entirety of the PolitiFact story:
Heritage Foundation, "Why Government Spending Does Not Stimulate Economic Growth: Answering the Critics," by Brian M. Riedl, Jan. 5, 2010  

Heritage Foundation,"White House Report Claims Stimulus Success-Despite 3.5 Million Job Losses," by Brian M. Riedl, Jan. 14, 2010  

Heritage Foundation, "CBO Says Stimulus Is Working Because We Predicted It Would," by Brian Riedl, Dec. 1, 2009  
The first of these articles provides an excellent explanation of Keynesian economics, by the way.

Farley and Jacobson end up relying on Keynesian assumptions to imply the success of the Keynesian stimulus.  It is worth noting that the third article by Riedl listed above, "CBO Says Stimulus Is Working Because We Predicted It Would," deals with that same aspect of begging the question.

CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf proclaimed that (Keynesian) economists' predictions of job creation were more accurate than the records of those spending the stimulus money.  But if that's the case, how would one ever test the accuracy of the predictions in the first place?  What is the origin of their predictive cachet?

Therein lies the mystery.  The Keynesian economists say Keynesian economic approaches work just great.  News/opinion outfits such as PolitiFact report what the Keynesians say.  So it must be true, right?

PolitiFact offered no grades as such in this story.  But even though I took a less formal approach than usual on this post, I will offer some grades:

Robert Farley:  F
Louis Jacobson:  F
Catharine Richert:  C

Though I don't know who researched what, Catharin Richert only did research on this piece.  As a result, she's off the hook for the implicit logical errors in the content, including such things as the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.  It was great that Riedl's work appeared in the list of sources, but unfortunate that the content of the story appeared to entirely ignore Riedl's contribution to the argument.

Overall, this PolitiFact story was a faux fact check.  All it did was affirm that Keynesian economists affirm the Keynesian approach.  As Riedl points out, with no thanks due to PolitiFact, at some point the empirical data from economic outcomes need to support the Keynesian models or else the latter are open to question.  It looks like PolitiFact cherry-picked its expert commentary.


Afters:

One of the key experts cited in the PolitiFact story was Gus Faucher, director of macroeconomics at Moody's economy.com.  "Augustine" Faucher's FEC-listed political contributions have all been to Democrats, including a $300 gift to the Obama campaign in Sept. 2008.

Does that mean that we can't trust Faucher?  No, it isn't so simple as that.  Faucher undoubtedly believes in Keynesian principles and government intervention in markets, so his comments as to their effectiveness are simply what we should expect regardless of whether he supported Obama's candidacy.  Faucher's politics when added to his predisposition toward the Keynesian approach should cause us to take his expertise with a grain of salt, though.  He is not a neutral party on this issue.



March 3, 2010
Corrected typographical error on the spelling of Gus Faucher's name (I had spelled it "Guy Faucher").  Apologies to Mr. Faucher and my reader(s).

Thursday, May 24, 2012

PolitiFlub: President Obama's near-sterling record on spending?

MarketWatch's Rex Nutting published a defense of President Obama's spending record on May 22.

Quite a number of conservatives have written to rebut Nutting regarding his point that Obama has not presided over an unusually large increase in federal government spending.  But, strangely, conservative-leaning PolitiFact did not join the chorus of criticism.

Instead, PolitiFact rated a secondhand viral Facebook version of Nutting's argument "Mostly True."

The problem? The flub, that is?

PolitiFact entirely ignores the fundamentally accurate criticism undercutting Nutting's argument in favor of Obama's light-spending ways:  The Bush budget of 2009 provides a very unusual baseline against which to compare Obama's spending.

PolitiFact simply closes its eyes to that context:
Our ruling

The Facebook post says Mitt Romney is wrong to claim that spending under Obama has "accelerated at a pace without precedent in recent history," because it's actually risen "slower than at any time in nearly 60 years."

Obama has indeed presided over the slowest growth in spending of any president using raw dollars, and it was the second-slowest if you adjust for inflation. The math simultaneously backs up Nutting’s calculations and demolishes Romney’s contention. The only significant shortcoming of the graphic is that it fails to note that some of the restraint in spending was fueled by demands from congressional Republicans. On balance, we rate the claim Mostly True.
The rest of the fact check is equally blind to the critical context of the claim. 



Saturday, November 21, 2009

Prediction time

I was thinking on Friday (I know, I know! I'm trying to quit!). PolitiFact is taking a pounding to their reputation on their FaceBook page. And, no, I'm not patting myself on the back. There are a pretty fair number of "fans" who write strong criticisms of the PolitiFact entries.

If this trend continues, I foresee PolitiFact either curbing their hosting of criticism or terminating the FaceBook page altogether. It is, in the end, all about protecting and burnishing the brand. If the criticisms are not somehow marginalized, the brand suffers. I just can't see the St. Petersburg Times putting up with that over the course of time.

But we'll see.

Monday, May 23, 2011

To what lengths will PolitiFact go to suppress the truth?

I've posted a number of times about PolitiFact's FaceBook "Matrix," where participants in the discussion thread can live in a reality separate from that of the others by virtue of what groups can view their comments.

Days ago, before I got around to checking out the fine details of PolitiFact's supposed source for a story about conservative pundit and radio talk show host Laura Ingraham, I left a message challenging the PolitiFact version:
Pam Phillips wrote:

***It's very diligent of Politifact to actually look up some polls. No way did Laura Ingraham bother; she just said what she wants to believe. I call that Pants On Fire.***

Most likely Ingraham did not say what PolitiFact claims. That is, that RomneyCare is unpopular in Massachusetts. It really doesn't matter how popular RomneyCare is in Massachusetts. What matters to Romney's bid for Republican nomination is its popularity with conservatives. PolitiFact provided no material from the "O'Reilly Factor" transcript to substantiate its claim that Ingraham was talking about the system's popularity in Massachusetts. And none of you who made comments noticed to the point of saying something about it? You trust PolitiFact that much? To simply believe minus the evidence?

It's extremely likely that Ingraham was talking about RomneyCare's popularity among Republicans. The truth will come out eventually.
To me and my small circle of FaceBook friends, it looked like this:


 To the rest of you it would look much more like this:


Color me deeply amused.

But the truth is now out there.  It's just a matter of people finding it.  And realizing that they're not going to get it consistently from PolitiFact.

Thursday, June 23, 2011

Democrats' message board vigilantes

As if PolitiFact's Matrix isn't bad enough, now we've got message-board vigilantes.

Check out this pair of posts from PolitiFact's FaceBook page:



No doubt Hussain confirmed that I am not a real person by using his tricorder.


Wallenius needed no tricorder.  Her techniques derive from the classic sleuths such as Sherlock Holmes, Lord Peter Wimsey and Columbo.  Or maybe Adam West's Batman:
Jen Emmelman
Sheila, how do you know that about Bryan? I mean I am aware that he is a troll, but how did you figure out the rest?


Sheila Fahey Wallenius
Jen: two things - recent meeting I attended exposing the "professional troll training" the tightie righties are engaging in, so i knew what to look for. One of those things to look for is see where they're posting.

If you looked at his Wall - - going back nearly a full MONTH - - the ONLY PLACE that "Bryan" posts IS on "PolitiFact" - that tells me he's been specifically assigned to PolitiFact. He'll be back I'm sure, but now I've ID'd him, reported him and blocked him, so it might slow him down a bit for awhile.

Others are "assigned" to the various Obama campaign pages; still others to the White House page, etc. etc.


Sheila Fahey Wallenius Jen, I believe there's a You Tube video somewhere taken by someone with a cell phone cam at one of the "professional troll trainings"

The tactics they use are fascinating - dishonest and despicable as hell - but fascinating.

But, y'know... when you don't have the TRUTH, FACTS & EVIDENCE on your side, that's the kind of scumbag stuff I would expect the tightie righties and teabaggers would resort to.
My troll tactic with Wallenius was to point out that PolitiFact uses Heritage Foundation material in its source lists.  Wallenius denied it:
PolitiFact CITES Heritage Foundation, ONLY when they're drawing a comparison between statements coming from a right leaning group to those made by a lef-leaning (sic) group.
It wasn't hard finding an exception to Wallenius' claim.

Apart from her unsupported claim regarding PolitiFact's use of Heritage Foundation as a source, the disturbing thing about Wallenius is her resemblance to the evil spectre she tried to paint of me.

I'm supposedly some sort of agent, trained by the GOP to troll innocent message boards and assigned to the PolitiFact message board in particular--let alone the fact I've been criticizing PolitiFact under my own name and plainly announced the purpose of my FaceBook account many months ago. Meanwhile, Wallenius actually attends some sort of seminar to help her ferret out GOP agents and neutralize them.  One of us is a party operative, anyway.

Holy GOP imposter, Sheila!



Thank you, reality-based community. Wonderful stuff.

Thursday, November 12, 2009

It's official: I am a "fan" of PolitiFact

The only way I could log comments on PolitiFact's FaceBook site was to register myself as a "fan."

Though I suppose there is some etymological support for the designation, it still didn't feel right.

I waded right in and briefly shared my critique of one of their latest entries:


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Bryan White
Bryan White
Rep. Young offered a fair paraphrase of Obama. The PolitiFact writer seems to be the one who provided the quotation marks. The writer also mischaracterized the topic of Obama's comments. It wasn't the economy. It was the deficit, and Obama as much as admitted responsibility for almost a third of it. And one last (minor) thing: a $787 stimulus package? This was a poor excuse for journalism.
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I have had one reply as of now:
No he didn't. He implied that Obama was telling anyone who critisized him to shut up and get out of the way. But Obama never made such a statment or even implied that all his critics should shut up. The Congressman made this inflametory statment to fule misperseption and to rile up his crowed. It was a false statment period.
People just don't seem to understand the principle of charitable interpretation. Or if they do, it's just plain difficult to do.

This guy flatly says that Rep. Young's statement was not a fair paraphrase. But his reasoning makes no sense at all unless we interpret "anyone" as used above as removed from the context in which Young and Obama spoke. That is, with respect to political opposition based on the budget issue. And once we fit it to the context, it is a fair paraphrase.

Tuesday, August 31, 2010

Selection bias? What selection bias? (Updated)

PolitiFact published a new type of story on Aug. 27. At least it was new to me.

Bill Adair wrote a story about Glenn Beck's history on PolitFact's cheesy "Truth-O-Meter."

Perhaps that has Karen Street beaming in partial satisfaction.

Most of Adair's story is relatively inoffensive, since much of it merely offers brief mentions of past stories on Beck. The problem comes from portions like this:
In the meantime, we thought it would be timely to look at Beck's record on the Truth-O-Meter. As you can see from the running tally in his PolitiFact file, we've rated 17 statements by the Fox News talk show host. It's fair to say that record skews toward the False end of the Truth-O-Meter.

His record (as of Aug. 27, 2010):

True                1
Mostly True     1
Half True         3
Barely True     4
False               5
Pants on Fire   3
Folks like Karen Street are thinking "So, what's the problem?  Glenn Beck tends to fudge the truth."

The problem is the type of generalization that stems from Adair's presentation.  The "Truth-O-Meter" ratings do not come from a random sample of Beck's remarks.  They are selected by the staffers at PolitiFact based, it is said, on their own editorial judgment with input via the suggestions of readers.  The readers, if the comments appearing at FaceBook offer any indication, trend left.

When sampling is the result of specific choices (such as editorial judgment), the resulting sample contains selection bias.  Because of selection bias, the "Truth-O-Meter" stats like the ones PolitiFact published for Beck mean virtually nothing with respect to Beck's veracity.  Assuming the accuracy of PolitiFact ratings--which, unfortunately, we can't--the only reliable information we get from the story is via anecdote.  In other words, if the ratings are accurate then we get a set of examples of things said by Beck reflecting various shades of truth.

Individually, the examples say something significant about Beck in each case.  In the aggregate, however, they say little to nothing about Beck.  They tell you more about PolitiFact than about Beck because the examples pattern PolitiFact's selection bias.

That, in a nutshell, is why PolitiFact ought to be wary of suggestions to aggregate its scoring for individuals and parties.  PolitiFact likely receives any resulting black eye.


Update:

While browsing some comments at PolitiFact's FaceBook page, it occurred to me that I could easily add some support to my key claim above, that people easily accept the idea that aggregated PolitiFact ratings for an individual roughly translate to a measure of that individual's truthfulness.  The comments all occur in response to Adair's story on Beck.

Tuesday, June 15, 2010

Job creation and the minimum wage

Hat tip to Hot Air.




Orphe Divounguy finishes his presentation by challenging minimum wage supporters with a more advanced application of minimum wage logic. Why not increase the minimum wage to $100 per hour or the like?

I tried a similar challenge with a liberal at a FaceBook page some weeks ago. What if we gave everyone a government job paying $1 million per year? I pressed "Garrett Fitzgerald" for an answer over a period of time. This was probably his best attempt:
"it would wreck the money system...money wouldn't be worth anything...The idea of a stable system is no one is too rich and on one is too poor...and you have a big middle in between."
Fitzgerald had an accurate sense that employing everyone with million-dollar jobs would devalue money, but his secondary reasoning  suggested that he had no real idea why that was the case.  Instead of reaching the conclusion I tried to draw him toward, that the value of money is a function of the (market-determined) value of work, he came up with this fantastic idea that a monetary system needed to avoid having too many rich or poor people.  Naturally I subsequently pointed out to him that, relatively speaking, million dollar salaries for all effectively eliminated "too rich" and "too poor."  The "big middle in between" was guaranteed about as much as possible in a realistic scenario.

Fitzgerald never reached the conclusion that I tried to draw him toward, but he did eventually try to dodge the discussion of economics and other issues by using FaceBook's "ignore user" application.

Do liberals tend to be somewhat clueless about economics?  I think so, though the linked study does have its flaws.

Sunday, July 11, 2010

Grading PolitiFact: Sarah Palin & defense spending (Updated)

"There is ... a deep anti-military bias in the media. One that begins from the premise that the military must be lying, and that American projection of power around the world must be wrong."
--Terry Moran of ABC News, broadcast on the Hugh Hewitt Show May 18, 2005
Who knew?

Sarah Palin submitted a new post to her FaceBook page.  That's news, and time again for PolitiFact to fact check.


The issue:

PolitiFact did its work for two of Palin's claims.  I'm posting the main page blurbs together as they appeared there:


I'm including both images because the second one accounts for some of the context of Palin's statement about the 25th ranking for the U.S.


The fact checkers:

Louis Jacobson:  writer, researcher
Morris Kennedy:  editor


Analysis:

PolitiFact often deals with the literal statement as well as the underlying argument.

Louis Jacobson begins:
In a June 30, 2010, Facebook post, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin posted excerpts from a speech she gave in Norfolk, Va., primarily on national security. At one point, she said, "Did you know the U.S. actually only ranks 25th worldwide on defense spending as a percentage of GDP?"
PolitiFact claims that it grades claims while keeping them in context.  Perhaps revealing the her overall subject, national security, adequately fulfills that goal.  Just in case, here's more:
Our Defense Secretary recently stated the “gusher” of defense spending was over and that it was time for the Department of Defense to tighten its belt. There’s a gusher of spending alright, but it’s not on defense. Did you know the US actually only ranks 25th worldwide on defense spending as a percentage of GDP? We spend three times more on entitlements and debt services than we do on defense.
(yellow highlights added)
Note that the third sentence represents this fact check.  The following sentence is the one also receiving a fact check.  What is the underlying argument?  Most likely Palin sought to support her claim that there is no "gusher" of defense spending compared to other spending and chose two stats she expected to surprise her audience in order to underline that judgment.  That Palin presents one of the factoids as a question supports that interpretation.

Assuming I am correct, PolitiFact's decision to fact check the two claims at least partially validates her underlying argument.  PolitiFact found the claim surprising, as was made clear by Jacobson statement after he had quoted Palin:
At one point, she said, "Did you know the U.S. actually only ranks 25th worldwide on defense spending as a percentage of GDP?"

We didn't, so we decided to check up on her statistic.

We quickly tracked down the chart from which we suspect she pulled her factoid. (Her staff didn't return our e-mail query.) It's a credible source -- the CIA World Factbook -- and, as Palin said, the U.S. does rank 25th in the world, spending an estimated 4.06 percent of GDP on defense in 2005.
With the "False" and "Pants On Fire" ratings apparently ruled out, let's review the descriptions for the remaining "Truth-O-Meter" possibilities:
TRUE – The statement is accurate and there’s nothing significant missing.
MOSTLY TRUE – The statement is accurate but needs clarification or additional information.
HALF TRUE – The statement is accurate but leaves out important details or takes things out of context.
BARELY TRUE – The statement contains some element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression.
Review completed, back to Jacobson:
Case closed? Not really.

The list includes all countries, regardless of size, so some tiny countries outrank the United States on the CIA list. There's Eritrea at number 9 (with an economy about 1/1000th of the size of the U.S. economy); Burundi at number 11 (with an economy that's even less than 1/1000th the size of the U.S. economy); and Maldives at 13th (with an economy roughly the same size as Burundi's).
Though Palin specifically stated that the U.S. was 25th "worldwide," apparently she misled in Jacobson's eyes.

Jacobson:
All told, only four nations on the CIA list could be described as either industrialized democracies or major world players. They are Israel (6th), Turkey (16th), China (23rd) and Greece (24th).
Probably Jacobson meant that only four of the nations rated above the U.S. on the list were major world players.  If the list "includes all countries" as Jacobson claimed earlier, then we ought to find every industrialized democracy and major world player on the list.  It's OK for PolitiFact to misstate things like that, however.  The important thing is the other guy is not accurate.  Apparently Palin should have asked "Did you know that U.S. actually only ranks 5th among major world players on defense spending as a percentage of GDP?"  That would have made a huge difference or something.

Then Jacobson drops what probably accounts for the bigger complaint:
Is there a better yardstick? We think there is -- using rankings of members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. The OECD is a group of 31 nations that are generally large, industrialized democracies. This list makes the comparison closer to one of peers.
Hmm.  How many of those "large, industrialized democracies" are members of NATO and thus substantially subsidized in their defense by the U.S.?  It's easier to list the world players not part of NATO:
  • Australia
  • Chile
  • Korea
  • Mexico
  • New Zealand
  • Sweden
  • Austria
  • Finland
  • Ireland
  • Japan
  • Switzerland

We can add Japan and Korea immediately to the list of nations substantially subsidized in their national defense by the U.S.

Should any others qualify as resting under U.S. protection? I would suggest Australia (by treaty), Austria (nestled in the midst of NATO), Mexico (by proximity) and Switzerland (like Austria surrounded by NATO).

That leaves us only with Chile, New Zealand, Sweden and Finland as nations not unambiguously subsidized in their defense by the U.S. military. PolitiFact wants us to compare our military spending as a percentage of GDP with nations whose defense we subsidize plus two nations, Finland and Sweden, with an official policy of neutrality. New Zealand is geographically isolated and has a defense treaty with Australia. Chile has no history of using its military away from its home continent of South America. That's the best comparison? Ridiculous.

Additional sifting through the data revealed more problems. The OECD did not originate the data from which its list was derived. The data came from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.  And the following is from their description of their methodology:
SIPRI data reflects the official data reported by governments. As a general rule, SIPRI takes national data to be accurate until there is convincing information to the contrary. Estimates are made primarily when the coverage of official data does not correspond to the SIPRI definition or when there are no consistent time series available.
What makes SIPRI data better than CIA data?  Clearly superiority is not established by concentrating the comparison between the U.S. and other nations whose defense the U.S. subsidizes.  Just as clearly, giving non-transparent regimes (such as China) the benefit of the doubt minus strong evidence to the contrary tilts the board in favor of secretive nations.  To be sure, PolitiFact grants the caveat that secrecy is a problem--but then why prefer SIPRI as a data source in the first place?  Minus a recommendation from a consensus of neutral experts, PolitiFact's preference cannot count as an objective judgment.  It is opinion.

Speaking of expert opinions, Jacobson includes but one in his story:
Todd Harrison, a fellow with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, said other factors set the U.S. apart.

"In absolute dollars, we spend almost as much as all other countries combined," Harrison said. "So saying we are 25th is a bit misleading and a selective use of facts."
OK, then, let's take the test.  It consists of one question:


Which of the following best matches "a bit misleading and a selective use of facts"?

A)  The statement is accurate and there’s nothing significant missing.
B)  The statement is accurate but needs clarification or additional information.
C)  The statement is accurate but leaves out important details or takes things out of context. 
D)  The statement contains some element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different    impression.

If you chose D then you have something in common with Louis Jacobson and PolitiFact:
Although she's technically correct, the numbers are wildly skewed by tiny, non-industrialized countries. We find her claim Barely True.
If, on the other hand, you thought Harrison's statement fit B or C just about as well if not better, I sympathize.

The fact is that Palin provided additional context that touched on the great expense involved in projecting power throughout the world:

It takes a lot of resources to maintain the best fighting force in the world – especially at a time when we face financial uncertainty and a mountain of debt that threatens all of our futures.
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If we lose wars, if we lose the ability to deter adversaries, if we lose the ability to provide security for ourselves and for our allies, we risk losing all that makes America great! That is a price we cannot afford to pay.
***
Secretary Gates recently spoke about the future of the US Navy. He said we have to “ask whether the nation can really afford a Navy that relies on $3 to $6 billion destroyers, $7 billion submarines, and $11 billion carriers.” He went on to ask, “Do we really need... more strike groups for another 30 years when no other country has more than one?”

Well, my answer is pretty simple: Yes, we can and, yes, we do because we must. Our Navy has global responsibilities.
Palin was "technically correct."  So what was misleading in the underlying argument?  What numbers were supposedly "wildly skewed" by Palin's use of the CIA fact book?  Jacobson never identifies the target he claims Palin missed other than to claim that U.S. defense spending ought to be compared to nations either under our protective umbrella or with other reasons for low defense spending that do not allow for a fair comparison.  And he uses a dubious source to make the critical comparison with the nations who might tend to cause defense concerns for the U.S.


The grades:

Louis Jacobson:  F
Morris Kennedy:  F

PolitiFact left important data hidden and inserted opinion, if not error, by preferring a different measure based on incoherent grounds.

The fact check is not so much horrible for its rating of Palin but for the fact that PolitiFact does the same types of things for which Palin is faulted.  If it is wrong for Palin to leave out relevant data then it is wrong for PolitiFact to leave out relevant data.


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