Muhamed's Internet connection apparently originates in Miami, and DJEB made note of that right away in his reply, and then assured Muhamed that his post would be judged on its content rather than by "religion or nationality."
So DJEB only mentioned Miami several times after that.
The thing that brings DJEB's integrity into question, however, is his handling of the argument against Muhamed. Muhamed mentioned that the Oct 7, 2000 incident in which about 500 protesters moved to cross the Israeli border involved Molotov cocktails, the throwing of stones, and "bullets."
DJEB researched the incident, replying "If there is evidence of this, it does not come from Monbiot's source" whereupon DJEB quoted a UN document providing a summary of UNIFIL reports on border incidents.
After the quotation, DJEB says "No mention of any weapons there. Got a source for your claim? (An impartial one, that is.)"
I made two brief comments to that thread, first concerning a news account (via "Cedarland") reporting on the border incident (appearing to partly confirm Muhamed's version), and then a more in-depth UN report that confirmed the stone-throwing and Molotov cocktails.
DJEB thanks me for providing that information, and says that he had already run across the source I shared but chose to use the other one in his response to Muhamed.
The Cedarland site mentions Yarin. I guess that's close to Marwahin? It mentions rocks (those aren't arms) and Molotov cocktails (not called arms by any police force I know). It substantiates 2/3 of of Miami "Muhamed's" claims. It would not justify the use of deadly force, mind you, just as similar incidences (rocks and Molotov cocktails) didn't in Montreal in 2001.So, this makes it look as though DJEB had confirmed much of what was claimed about the border incident yet pretended otherwise while asking the other guy to prove the case.
Thank you for the posting of the more in-depth UN report. I came across it last night but stuck with Monbiot's source itself.
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What's up with that?
Yarin is close to Marwahin. The location of the incident was "Yarin Gate," a former crossing point. Yarin Gate is apparently south of Marwahin, while the three soldiers who were abducted that day were taken from Shebaa Farms region further to the east.
The detailed UN report should suggest that the protest was organized to coincide with the plan to abduct the Israeli soldiers. That's how protesting along the border instead of in a population center begins to make some sense, and it's especially how protesting by trying to cross the border begins to make some sense. It was apparently the intent of Hezbollah to create a disturbance to help slow the response to the kidnapping of soldiers planned to take place (about an hour later) to the east.
As for lethal force not being justified in Montreal--who was trying to cross a significant border in that case?
It's amazing how such a significant difference in the two cases is ignored. A person might be shot for trying to cross a border illegally even if he's utterly unarmed, let alone packing rocks and Molotov cocktails.
See this case from France for comparison.
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